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Bedrock 600 guitar combo

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The Bedrock 600 series is one of those guitar amps that raises passion among fans and sceptics. This one belongs to a friend of mine. It had quit working and he asked me if I could anything with it. I decided to see what I was able to do and gain some useful experience for my own project.
This Bedrock 600 guitar combo belongs to a friend of mine. He told he it had broken down and his usual repairman said it was beyond repair. Knowing my interest in valve amplifiers he asked me if I wanted to experiment on it. Just for fun. He had already bought a new amp.

view from the back

Bedrock 600, view from the back. The speaker magnet is really impressive.

His amplifier repair guy had told him that the power transformer had an interrupted winding. My friend pointed at the output transformer while saying this. That was ok with me, he is not an electronic engineer, after all. He also told me he had had some trouble before, after changing output valves. A year before, he had bought two sets of matched EL84's to replace worn valves. The amp wouldn't work with these. He supposed this was because he should have bought a matched quad. His amp repairman had inserted a matched quad and set the bias. After that, the amp worked again. I told him the amp should have worked with two pairs or even unmatched valves, albeit with more distortion and a risk of overheating some valves. Theoretically, there is a risk that inserting valves with strongly different emission and misaligned bias might cause damage to the output tranny.


    The amplifier taken out of its cabinet.

The amplifier taken out of its cabinet.

First I took the amplifier from its cabinet and started to check continuity on the output transformer, which was fine. Then I checked the power transformer, whose secondaries were fine, too. All the connections to the primary were not directly accessible for measurements. I measured at the mains input receptable. No continuity in either position of the mains switch. After checking the mains fuse I pulled the faston connectors from the mains switch, which have plastic isolating sleeves covering them and kept me from measuring the primary windings. Oddly, these were both ok. I put the connectors back in place and checked on the mains receptacle. Now I had continuity. I hooked up the speaker and inserted a mains cord. I switched on the amp and monitored the voltage on the HV electrolytics. It went up to 410 V and back to 390 as the valves came up. Some noise was coming from the speaker.

I did several checks to see the amp really worked. Only, it squeeked at some settings of the controls. I wanted to investigate that. It turned out to be some 6.2kHz oscillation, apparently coming from the pre-amplifiers.


    The output signal showing squigglies caused by the oscillation.

The output signal showing squigglies caused by the oscillation.

Finding a circuit diagram wasn't easy, there only is a low-res scan to be found on The Bedrock Amplifier Tribute Page, along with some hand-drawn schematics,

I wanted to find out if the oscillation originated from the pre-amps themselves or was caused by feedback from the output stage. That is plausible, as the anode leads of the output transformer are running quite closely to the pre-amps. I unsoldered one side of the coupling capacitor (C18) that links the pre-amps to the phase splitter. Then I plugged the load resistor back in and inserted a signal in the output amp. This worked as it should. I switched off and connected my signal generator to the input and my scope to the output of the pre-amp. Now I saw the oscillation again, although the output amp wasn't connected and could not cause any feedback. So I knew the pre-amp was oscillating of itself. Alas, looking for the cause, I made a little mistake that caused me some extra work. Fortunately, all ended well.

Besides the two 12AX7WB pre-amp valves, the Bedrock 600 uses semiconductor circuits in the pre-amplifier. It has two dual opamps, one for the reverb unit and one for the effects loop input and output. I decided it would be more relaxed to test these low voltage amplifiers first, without the high voltage supply. I connected external + and - 18V supplies. Immediately, the 6.2 kHz signal was back. It came from the reverb tank driving amplifier. It has a power stage consisting of a TIP29/TIP30 complementary power transistor pair driven by one half of a TL072P opamp. This amplifier was oscillating, the output signal went from rail to rail, 30Vtt.


    Down in the case, the reverb tank hiding in its pouch.

Down in the case, the reverb tank hiding in its pouch.

I wanted to make sure the oscillation wasn't caused by the absence of the reverb tank and connected the reverb tank to the amp. The frequency changed to 25 kHz but it remained equally strong. This was really nasty: at 25 kHz it would be inaudible but it would disturb the amplifier operation and it might cause a flashover if the loudspeaker wasn't connected.

Though I wasn't 100% sure from the low-res schematic, I thought that the feed-back resistor should be 9.1 kΩ. The amplifier had an 18k resistor, though. I soldered a resistor in parallel, and the oscillation was gone. The driver amp was quiet now, both with and without the reverb tank. I didn't really worry about the lower driving signal into the reverb tank, as my friend had told me he wasn't using the reverb anyway.


    The output signal at 70% with minor cross-over distortion.

The output signal at 70% with minor cross-over distortion.


    The output signal at overload clipped and severe cross-over.

The output signal at overload clipped and severe cross-over.


    The output signal at 100% using the distortion function.

The output signal at 100% using the distortion function.

I inserted the valves and tested the amp. Now it was working fine. No oscillation. A straight sine at 1 kHz and 30W, becoming more like a square wave at overload conditions, as push-pull amplifiers do.

I tried some additional research on this Bedrock amplifier and its reverb amplifier. I found only one reference on a discussion panel, from someone citing exactly the same oscillation problem in the reverb driver amp.

Although this wasn't actually causing the fault, I think that from a standpoint of amplifier stability, the reverb control is placed in an unfortunate place. It is at the far right of the control panel, while the reverb preamp is all the way at the left. This means a long low-signal trace traveling along the PCB. But it has a low impedance, which probably saves the situation. I find this even more surprising because the amp is using four analogue switches (LED-LDR sets) in other places in the preamp, which is a bit expensive but allows the designer to prevent hum, noise and instability. Why not use such a LED-LDR set as a reverb control?

So the amp is working now but the fault isn't 100% certain. Maybe the oscillation was squelching the output amp. But why did the repairman say the power transformer was bad? Maybe the stand-by switch was dirty. Maybe the fuse hadn't been placed correctly. Anyway, the amplifier kept working fine during the months after.

I made some photographs showing the glowing output valves. Through a hole in the anodes you can see the characteristic blue haze in the output valves. I noticed on this picture that the second valve in the row is showing some more red light than the others. I suspected the output valves might not be matched correctly. This valve might draw more grid current than the other ones. So the next day I set up a test circuit and measured the chracteristics of all four output valves. They were very close. The valve that looked a bit more red was actually the one drawing least screen grid current. So there was nothing wrong with it.


    Catching the christmas atmosphere of glowing valves.

Catching the christmas atmosphere of glowing valves.

After this, the owner made a soundcheck and was happily surprised. Good.


    View of the bottom and PCB after repair.

View of the bottom and PCB after repair.

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Transformer specs

One month after posting the first version of this page, someone contacted me to ask if I had the transformer specifications. From my notes I could make a fair guess, but I decided it would be better to borrow the amp and make some decent measurements. Which my friend fuond ok. By the way, if this information is helpful to you, please let me know through the feedback page.
Output transformer type MMC-11629
Core: 95x80x32mm (EI95, 32 mm stack)
Primary: Raa=3.6-4kΩ(?), DC resistance 92Ω
Secondary: Gnd - 4Ω - 8 Ω, DC resistance 0,3 + 0,2 Ω

The primary impedance has been determined by multiplying the secondary impedance times squared voltage ratio at 50 Hz, giving 3.6k. I also measured the current drawn by the primary connected to 230V AC with an 8 Ω resistor connected to the secondary, giving 3.8k. The result surprises me a bit. For an output stage with 4 EL84's normally a primary impedance of 4k is specified. I expected it to be higher because of the high plate voltage. My results of 3.6-3.8 kΩ may be erroneous, but I don't see how. I would use a 4k P-P transformer rated for 50W if I needed a replacement.

Power transformer type MMC-11628
Core: 105x88x44mm (EI105, 44 mm stack)
Primary: 115+115V, DC resistance 6.5Ω
Secondary 1: HV 600V 250mA ct, DC resistance 65.5 Ω
Secondary 2: LV/bias 32V 250mA ct, DC resistance 3.8 Ω
Secondary 3: heaters 6.3V 4A, DC resistance <0.1 Ω
The voltages have been measured at a moderate load, not at full power. The rated currents for the HV and LV/bias secondaries have been estimated. By the fact that the ratio of DC resistance to secondary voltage of these two windings are roughly equal, it can be determined that they have the same wire size thus same rated current. When replacing the power transformer, keep in mind that the neon pilot light is connected to one half of the split primary. When a transformer with a single primary is used, an extra resistor has to be put in series with the pilot light.

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Which output valves

This amp is not suitable for just any EL84 brand. It needs a ruggedized variety. According to my friend, originally it had Sovtek valves. The JJ brand valves his former guitar repairman had inserted, were working ok. Personally, I would use type 7189. These are military grade versions of the EL84/6BQ5 and they are specified for 400V operation. Even better, the 7189-A is specified for 13.2 W plate dissipation as opposed to 12 W for a regular EL84. So it should be better suited for an amp like this.
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Extended testing

As mentioned previously, my friend already had bought a new amp and wasn't using the Bedrock any more. In the meantime, my son had bought a guitar and I hadn't yet finished the amp I was building for him.

So in the second half of 2014, I borrowed the Bedrock and my son used it for his first guitar experience. The amplifier kept working fine and gives a warm rock&roll sound. The reverb unit gives a nice extra to the sound. The amp went back to its owner after this and my son went on using his own amp. and the Geloso G215AN.

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